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		<title>By: Evey</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-2039</link>
		<dc:creator>Evey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a simple world you live in Sensible Citizen - a world divided into good guys and bad guys, where only the good guys use H&amp;K weapons.

Did you actually &lt;em&gt;read&lt;/em&gt; the letter above? You know, the bits about H&amp;K weapons being sold to human-rights-abusing regimes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a simple world you live in Sensible Citizen &#8211; a world divided into good guys and bad guys, where only the good guys use H&amp;K weapons.</p>
<p>Did you actually <em>read</em> the letter above? You know, the bits about H&amp;K weapons being sold to human-rights-abusing regimes?</p>
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		<title>By: The Sensible Citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>The Sensible Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 11:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried in all honesty to find an appropriate and polite method of expressing my views but, after reading your comments and replies to other comments I can only seem to say one thing in one manner. Shutdown HK, you guys are complete and utter morons. HKs are NOT the first choice for rogue regimes, they are the first choice for British SAS, American Special Forces, SWAT and the like who combat crime and in fact take out terrorists and the likes. They are quality, expensive weapons and have a good reputation as such. By trying to ban all guns you are making a ridiculous backwards, leftist claim that has no logical basis. You might as well argue that we should all go back to using sticks and stones. Please open your eyes and grow up. You naive dimwits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried in all honesty to find an appropriate and polite method of expressing my views but, after reading your comments and replies to other comments I can only seem to say one thing in one manner. Shutdown HK, you guys are complete and utter morons. HKs are NOT the first choice for rogue regimes, they are the first choice for British SAS, American Special Forces, SWAT and the like who combat crime and in fact take out terrorists and the likes. They are quality, expensive weapons and have a good reputation as such. By trying to ban all guns you are making a ridiculous backwards, leftist claim that has no logical basis. You might as well argue that we should all go back to using sticks and stones. Please open your eyes and grow up. You naive dimwits.</p>
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		<title>By: Skektek</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Skektek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 17:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re trying to stop another 9/11, you&#039;re going about it all wrong. The 9/11 attacks were carried out &lt;b&gt;because&lt;/b&gt; of US military involvement in the Middle East; specifically US troops in Saudi Arabia, US support for Israel, and US sanctions against Iraq. So I hardly think that more US interference in the region is going to make the situation safer.

Of course terrorists and armed forces can get any make of small arms, not just H&amp;K, but we have to start somewhere, and we&#039;re starting in our home town, where H&amp;K is based.

If I understand your argument (and it&#039;s not easy given your lack of punctuation) you&#039;re saying that because human beings have always fought each other, it&#039;s futile to try to prevent it. But then you undermine your own argument by saying that conflict will continue &quot;till we can all live together peacefully&quot;. Well we are working toward that day, whereas you are championing war, even though you admit it is &quot;hell&quot; and even though the &quot;terrorists&quot; use weapons made by the company we&#039;re trying to shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re trying to stop another 9/11, you&#8217;re going about it all wrong. The 9/11 attacks were carried out <b>because</b> of US military involvement in the Middle East; specifically US troops in Saudi Arabia, US support for Israel, and US sanctions against Iraq. So I hardly think that more US interference in the region is going to make the situation safer.</p>
<p>Of course terrorists and armed forces can get any make of small arms, not just H&amp;K, but we have to start somewhere, and we&#8217;re starting in our home town, where H&amp;K is based.</p>
<p>If I understand your argument (and it&#8217;s not easy given your lack of punctuation) you&#8217;re saying that because human beings have always fought each other, it&#8217;s futile to try to prevent it. But then you undermine your own argument by saying that conflict will continue &#8220;till we can all live together peacefully&#8221;. Well we are working toward that day, whereas you are championing war, even though you admit it is &#8220;hell&#8221; and even though the &#8220;terrorists&#8221; use weapons made by the company we&#8217;re trying to shut down.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-1311</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I beg to differ on the oil! Ok if you belive on what you see on tv never showing the truth everything is always one sided  about war did I belive everything that bush said no but I didn&#039;t want too see what happened on 9/11 happen to and country. I help guard contractors that built schools for children in Iraq but you probably never hurd CNN talk about that. And terrorist can get any gun they want not just HK look I see that you are every one-sided but keep in mind war is hell and till we can all live together peacefully there is going to be conflict. Sorry that&#039;s the human race read history books and you&#039;ll see that war is the way of the human race, tech, medical and meds all came from war. It sucks but it&#039;s true. And your post will be negative towards what I just said but hey someone gave there life so you can protest so keep protesting! Burn my US flag in my country I&#039;ll look sad but at the same time I gave that person the right todo it and I don&#039;t feel bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I beg to differ on the oil! Ok if you belive on what you see on tv never showing the truth everything is always one sided  about war did I belive everything that bush said no but I didn&#8217;t want too see what happened on 9/11 happen to and country. I help guard contractors that built schools for children in Iraq but you probably never hurd CNN talk about that. And terrorist can get any gun they want not just HK look I see that you are every one-sided but keep in mind war is hell and till we can all live together peacefully there is going to be conflict. Sorry that&#8217;s the human race read history books and you&#8217;ll see that war is the way of the human race, tech, medical and meds all came from war. It sucks but it&#8217;s true. And your post will be negative towards what I just said but hey someone gave there life so you can protest so keep protesting! Burn my US flag in my country I&#8217;ll look sad but at the same time I gave that person the right todo it and I don&#8217;t feel bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Skektek</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-1309</link>
		<dc:creator>Skektek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you may not have seen &quot;terrorists&quot; with H&amp;K weapons, but terrorists do use them. It&#039;s not hard to find photos of H&amp;K weapons being carried by Taliban, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/24/armedchildren_mn.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;child soldiers of the Islamic State of Iraq&lt;/a&gt;. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Red Army Faction&lt;/a&gt; even had a H&amp;K gun in their logo.

The obvious difference between guns and cars, is that unlike guns, cars are not designed to kill people.

And let&#039;s get one thing clear - soldiers like you are not fighting to defend my freedom of expression, or to protect the free world from terrorism - you&#039;re just fighting to keep oil flowing to the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you may not have seen &#8220;terrorists&#8221; with H&amp;K weapons, but terrorists do use them. It&#8217;s not hard to find photos of H&amp;K weapons being carried by Taliban, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/09/24/armedchildren_mn.jpg" rel="nofollow">child soldiers of the Islamic State of Iraq</a>. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction" rel="nofollow">Red Army Faction</a> even had a H&amp;K gun in their logo.</p>
<p>The obvious difference between guns and cars, is that unlike guns, cars are not designed to kill people.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s get one thing clear &#8211; soldiers like you are not fighting to defend my freedom of expression, or to protect the free world from terrorism &#8211; you&#8217;re just fighting to keep oil flowing to the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-1303</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to war I have TBI &quot;trimatic brain injury&quot; and I stopped counting on the 47th IED that hit my Hummer. Look war is not pretty we all get that but to say ban HK is a joke how about you join the military and see first hand, never once did I see a terrorist with a HK all AK47 umm HK does not make 7.62x39. So where are they going to get 5.56. Look you have the freedom to write and protest but the only reason you have that right is that someone else was braver then you to take rounds or even there life for you to protest. You are right there are good and bad people in all army&#039;s but there the % that makes the rest of the us look bad. I own 2 HK a USP 9mm and HK USC and the quality of your German guns are amazing. Sorry for grammar it&#039;s my TBI. But instead of trying to ban a great company how about you help wounded soilders and sport them! Some one wrote that 2 million killed by guns over 20 years in 1 year 1.2 people die in car accidents world wide should we ban cars aswell. 
US Army retired age 26 hurt in Iraq protecting the freedom for all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to war I have TBI &#8220;trimatic brain injury&#8221; and I stopped counting on the 47th IED that hit my Hummer. Look war is not pretty we all get that but to say ban HK is a joke how about you join the military and see first hand, never once did I see a terrorist with a HK all AK47 umm HK does not make 7.62&#215;39. So where are they going to get 5.56. Look you have the freedom to write and protest but the only reason you have that right is that someone else was braver then you to take rounds or even there life for you to protest. You are right there are good and bad people in all army&#8217;s but there the % that makes the rest of the us look bad. I own 2 HK a USP 9mm and HK USC and the quality of your German guns are amazing. Sorry for grammar it&#8217;s my TBI. But instead of trying to ban a great company how about you help wounded soilders and sport them! Some one wrote that 2 million killed by guns over 20 years in 1 year 1.2 people die in car accidents world wide should we ban cars aswell.<br />
US Army retired age 26 hurt in Iraq protecting the freedom for all!</p>
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		<title>By: Evey</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>Evey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It depends what you think the problem is.

For us, the people who supply the weapons used by warmongering, repressive and human-rights-abusing regimes are as much a part of the problem as the regimes that they empower.

The fact that they operate from our home town makes it more of our problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It depends what you think the problem is.</p>
<p>For us, the people who supply the weapons used by warmongering, repressive and human-rights-abusing regimes are as much a part of the problem as the regimes that they empower.</p>
<p>The fact that they operate from our home town makes it more of our problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-421</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not attack the cause of the problem? Why  attack the manufacture? If you have people fighting don&#039;t take the arms because it doesn&#039;t solve the problem. Why not attack the root of the problem and truly get something done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not attack the cause of the problem? Why  attack the manufacture? If you have people fighting don&#8217;t take the arms because it doesn&#8217;t solve the problem. Why not attack the root of the problem and truly get something done?</p>
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		<title>By: Evey</title>
		<link>http://www.shutdownhk.org.uk/an-open-letter-to-heckler-koch/comment-page-1/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Evey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you such a simpleton that you&#039;re only capable of seeing conflict in terms of &quot;good guys&quot; vs &quot;bad guys&quot;?

In the Indian state of Manipur, police commandos are being &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indesec-expo.com/page.cfm/T=m/Action=Press/PressID=89&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;armed&lt;/a&gt; with H&amp;K submachine guns, to fight those they call terrorists. Those same police commandos have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/09/14/india-army-killings-fuel-insurgency-manipur&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abducting, torturing and killing civilians&lt;/a&gt; for years. So perhaps it&#039;s a bit simplistic to say that counter-terrorism units are &quot;good guys&quot;?

There are numerous documented accounts of US Marine units slaughtering civilians in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1538816/Chilling-new-evidence-of-Haditha-massacre.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iraq&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rumsfelds-renegade-unit-blamed-for-afghan-deaths-1685704.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/a&gt;. When &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenation.com/article/other-war-iraq-vets-bear-witness-0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interviewed&lt;/a&gt;, Iraq vets said that such incidents are common and often go unreported.

In the 2004 invasions of Fallujah, US Marines &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/10/usa.iraq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deliberately targeted&lt;/a&gt; civilians and medical personnel, vehicles and buildings, killing thousands. This was not carried out by a rogue &quot;extreme minority&quot; within the marines – it involved two whole regiments.

If American citizens were the victims of war crimes like those, you would be howling for justice, but as the victims were Arab and the perpetrators were American, you’d rather dismiss it as &quot;collateral damage&quot; that is &quot;rare and often caused by confusion.&quot;

If this website portrays the US Marine Corps as &quot;some kind of big bad murdering machine&quot;, it’s because that is &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; what it is.

This site does not claim that H&amp;K arms child soldiers and terrorists. It states that child soldiers and terrorists have been armed with H&amp;K weapons. You don’t have to look too hard to find evidence of this, such as this &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/armed-children-.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Islamic State of Iraq propaganda video&lt;/a&gt; that shows a young boy brandishing an MP5 submachine gun.

Small arms may not be the main cause of armed conflict, but they certainly facilitate it. Guns kill &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iansa.org/media/wmd.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;many times more&lt;/a&gt; people than machetes. They are the tools of repression, rape and mass killing. So you’re right, we do have a problem with a gun manufacturer in our town.

And that’s about the only thing you’re right about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you such a simpleton that you&#8217;re only capable of seeing conflict in terms of &#8220;good guys&#8221; vs &#8220;bad guys&#8221;?</p>
<p>In the Indian state of Manipur, police commandos are being <a href="http://www.indesec-expo.com/page.cfm/T=m/Action=Press/PressID=89" rel="nofollow">armed</a> with H&amp;K submachine guns, to fight those they call terrorists. Those same police commandos have been <a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/09/14/india-army-killings-fuel-insurgency-manipur" rel="nofollow">abducting, torturing and killing civilians</a> for years. So perhaps it&#8217;s a bit simplistic to say that counter-terrorism units are &#8220;good guys&#8221;?</p>
<p>There are numerous documented accounts of US Marine units slaughtering civilians in <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1538816/Chilling-new-evidence-of-Haditha-massacre.html" rel="nofollow">Iraq</a> and <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rumsfelds-renegade-unit-blamed-for-afghan-deaths-1685704.html" rel="nofollow">Afghanistan</a>. When <a href="http://www.thenation.com/article/other-war-iraq-vets-bear-witness-0" rel="nofollow">interviewed</a>, Iraq vets said that such incidents are common and often go unreported.</p>
<p>In the 2004 invasions of Fallujah, US Marines <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/10/usa.iraq" rel="nofollow">deliberately targeted</a> civilians and medical personnel, vehicles and buildings, killing thousands. This was not carried out by a rogue &#8220;extreme minority&#8221; within the marines – it involved two whole regiments.</p>
<p>If American citizens were the victims of war crimes like those, you would be howling for justice, but as the victims were Arab and the perpetrators were American, you’d rather dismiss it as &#8220;collateral damage&#8221; that is &#8220;rare and often caused by confusion.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this website portrays the US Marine Corps as &#8220;some kind of big bad murdering machine&#8221;, it’s because that is <em>exactly</em> what it is.</p>
<p>This site does not claim that H&amp;K arms child soldiers and terrorists. It states that child soldiers and terrorists have been armed with H&amp;K weapons. You don’t have to look too hard to find evidence of this, such as this <a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/armed-children-.html" rel="nofollow">Islamic State of Iraq propaganda video</a> that shows a young boy brandishing an MP5 submachine gun.</p>
<p>Small arms may not be the main cause of armed conflict, but they certainly facilitate it. Guns kill <a href="http://www.iansa.org/media/wmd.htm" rel="nofollow">many times more</a> people than machetes. They are the tools of repression, rape and mass killing. So you’re right, we do have a problem with a gun manufacturer in our town.</p>
<p>And that’s about the only thing you’re right about.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if your aware but H&amp;K makes very expensive guns. They are very high quality, but very expensive. Because of this they are often the gun of choice for many SWAT teams, counterterrorism units and occasionally civilians for personal protection. Those are all &quot;good guys&quot;. The guys that need those weapons to ensure the safety of you and I. It is rather rare that you see an H&amp;K in the hands of a terrorist, child soliders or even the army of a dictatorship . The reason is simple, cost. Why would a terrorist chose an H&amp;K if he is just going to trash the gun anyways? He doesn&#039;t, he goes with the cheaper, more common options. In fact H&amp;K is likely the least commonly used in any crimes of any sort. This is again mainly because of their cost. 
 You also seem to portray the USMC as some kind of big bad murdering machine. When such acts against civilians are rare and often caused but confusion. Some of this is called collateral damage it happens in all wars. Often people spend so much time looking at collate damage that they begin to lose site of the overall picture. It is that extreme minority&#039;s that commit ostracises in the USMC and well as most military branches.
 You make these claims that H&amp;K is arming child soldiers and terrorists but you don&#039;t back that up. H&amp;K firearms aren&#039;t the logical choice for them and I don&#039;t see any evidence on this site to suggest otherwise. I think you truly just have a problem with a gun manufacture in your town.
  You need to look at the bigger picture. It&#039;s bigger than the guns. Is the gun causing the conflict? Sure maybe it&#039;s making it easier but is it causing it? Without any guns there would still be fighting. Look at Rwanda, the Interahamwe and Impuzamugambi were armed mostly with machetes. Yet the still killed 30,000 people. Eliminating the gun isn’t eliminating the problem. How about starting a campaign to bring Rule of Law to parts of Africa, stop the drug traffickers, or raise the message of peace in the Muslim middle east? This helps solve the problem, taking guns away does not. If you have answers to these question please reply.

Jake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if your aware but H&amp;K makes very expensive guns. They are very high quality, but very expensive. Because of this they are often the gun of choice for many SWAT teams, counterterrorism units and occasionally civilians for personal protection. Those are all &#8220;good guys&#8221;. The guys that need those weapons to ensure the safety of you and I. It is rather rare that you see an H&amp;K in the hands of a terrorist, child soliders or even the army of a dictatorship . The reason is simple, cost. Why would a terrorist chose an H&amp;K if he is just going to trash the gun anyways? He doesn&#8217;t, he goes with the cheaper, more common options. In fact H&amp;K is likely the least commonly used in any crimes of any sort. This is again mainly because of their cost.<br />
 You also seem to portray the USMC as some kind of big bad murdering machine. When such acts against civilians are rare and often caused but confusion. Some of this is called collateral damage it happens in all wars. Often people spend so much time looking at collate damage that they begin to lose site of the overall picture. It is that extreme minority&#8217;s that commit ostracises in the USMC and well as most military branches.<br />
 You make these claims that H&amp;K is arming child soldiers and terrorists but you don&#8217;t back that up. H&amp;K firearms aren&#8217;t the logical choice for them and I don&#8217;t see any evidence on this site to suggest otherwise. I think you truly just have a problem with a gun manufacture in your town.<br />
  You need to look at the bigger picture. It&#8217;s bigger than the guns. Is the gun causing the conflict? Sure maybe it&#8217;s making it easier but is it causing it? Without any guns there would still be fighting. Look at Rwanda, the Interahamwe and Impuzamugambi were armed mostly with machetes. Yet the still killed 30,000 people. Eliminating the gun isn’t eliminating the problem. How about starting a campaign to bring Rule of Law to parts of Africa, stop the drug traffickers, or raise the message of peace in the Muslim middle east? This helps solve the problem, taking guns away does not. If you have answers to these question please reply.</p>
<p>Jake</p>
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